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of that fiscal cliff to a gentle, let's say, bunny slope. we have a fragile economy, but it's accelerating and it's predicted as this year to grow. it grew at 2% to goh at 3% or more this coming year so you want this skier, so to speak to go down the slope and pick up speed so when you do come to the grand bargain that has $3 trillion of debt reduction. all they've got to do is shoulder 1 billion, changing the scale and put the rest of that in the following nine years and that's something that they'll come up with. >> where do they find it? there are various places, and just that, there's $118 billion if you didn't do the payroll tax extension holiday and if you didn't do that at $250,000, that's almost the same equivalent amount or if you wanted to step back and say hey, let's make sure that these defensive, domestic sequestration cuts of $100 billion and half of that and you can take smalles poohes of that and come up to $100 million and know that it will grow close to 3%. that's the key, and that's why they're behind closed doors today. coming up with that, you don't have to have it done by ja
, but the republicans win because the economy is going to go out yet another fiscal cliff. george w. bush is not the president. obama is the president, he is not putting forth proposals to work with republicans. he will have to take ownership of this. they need to come up with a cohesive message about real economic growth and shrinking the size of government. they don't have a message and that is going to be the big question about who wins and long-run. jon: if we go over the cliff, i mean, everyone's paycheck, just about -- come january 1, it will be shrunk because government is going to be taking a much bigger chunk out of it. that will infuriate people. are they going to be blaming president obama? >> well, they won't be blaming president obama because polls show that they are blaming republicans. republicans are not really coming to the table. we had an election, and we had an election where voters clearly supported the president. jon: he got 50.96% of the population. >> he got over 300 electoral votes. romney only have one battleground state. tons of senate victories, again in the ho
have a huge impact on our economy just when it's most vulnerable to the approaching fiscal cliff. business groups and state leaders are now calling on the president to intervene, warning that a strike could really cost the country billions of dollars. if history is any indication, those warnings may be dead on. a lockout on the west coast back in 2002, remember that? lasted a total of ten days, and it cost the economy an estimated $1 billion each and every day. >>> a strike at the ports of los angeles and long beach earlier this month lasted eight days, an estimated loss of $650 million a day. a republican strategist and a former campaign aide for president george w. bush, julie roginsky is former political adviser to new jersey senate frank lautenberg. good to see you both. >> good to see you. gregg: didi, smoot-holly was passed decades ago for the purpose of putting tariff limits on incoming products. do we need to reexplore that? >> yeah. this was, this was back in the '60s. i mean, this was ancient history. why should these workers who get paid very well also get on top of th
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debt ceiling. you think the fiscal cliff thing is bad for the economy. you wait and see if they can't get the debt ceiling worked out. >> right. it's one thing to go over the fiscal cliff. that would be bad. we don't want to it happen. a recession may happen. it would be unfortunate. it's different than the u.s. defaulting on the debt. you know, we saw that back in august, 2011, we saw the downgrade of the credit rating. just by having the threat of not approving the debt ceiling increase and the possibility of default. it comes around again at the end of february, beginning of march. it's a time when there's a deal. if the deal does not include the debt ceiling, more damaging effects on the confidence. >> here we go again. neil irwin, it's good. economic editor. three ways they can mess this thing up next year. thank you so much. we'll talk to you again soon. we are 20 minutes to the top of the hour now. there have been major setbacks in the deal talks. we are just getting this news, a major setback in negotiations over a fiscal cliff deal. senator reid, according to democratic sou
conversations we'll have a bipartisan solution, because nobody wants to go over this fiscal cliff. it will damage our economy. it will hurt every taxpayer, the largest tax increase in history. it will affect everybody, and anyone who is watching who thinks, oh this isn't going to impact me, you will fin out d o will, and we know the problem is a lot of spending. not that we're not taxing people more, we're just spending too much. we hope that the president understands that as for as republicans are concerned, we're willing to negotiate and have a civil conversation, but also he's got to bring in some spending cuts and tax reform, because americans want tax reform and we don't want to hurt the economy, and, look there, are not enough millionaires in the united states to tax them all to be able to spend our way out of this problem. so let's -- let's give up a little bit -- each side can concede a little. and i think we can fin middle ground. i'm optimistic. >> we had your colleague nan hayworth last hour. she was expecting work to be done in the senate. the house did its best, boehn
to the wire investors looking over the edge of the fiscal cliff and being afraid of how far u.s. economy could drop if automatic hikes and cuts aren't averted. still hope of a deal. kind of hearing from some in washington, that they are making progress. negotiators did continue to talk overnight, republicans and democrats are closing in on a deal that would have y somewhere between $400,000 and $500,000 a year talks between mcconnell and vice president biden and staffers working late into the night. even if a deal is reached, it is likely to be temporary with another fight over deficit reduction coming next year. market is reacting cautiously. positive in nasdaq and s&p, dow has cut losses as these bits of news trickle out. bloomberg index still trading s(ó airlines say they are always trying to improve customer service, according to one survey they$0!6 should check to see if their employees have an attitude problem. 1,000 people were asked which airline had the rudest employees, american topped the list, 25% criticizing the manner of the workersg4p, united second, followed by delta andj0a
to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> if in fact we do go over the fiscal cliff it means the economy is going to go down pretty sharply. [ buzzing ] bye dad. drive safe. k. love you. [ chirping, buzzing continues ] [ horn honks ] [ buzzing continues ] [ male announcer ] the sprint drive first app. blocks and replies to texts while you drive. we can live without the &. visit sprint.com/drive. . gregg: you expect accrued of lines when you're shopping. how about sharks? look at those cameras rolling. a giant aquarium bursts, e phroedz insid explodes inside a mall in sang high china it sends glass, water, everywhere, including sharks. fortunately the sharks weren't terribly hungry at the moment and they didn't get very far. patti ann: george h.w. bush is in intensive care at a houston hospital battling a subject born fever. the former president has been sick for a few weeks now. on november 7th he was admitted to methodist hospital in houston what cough. he was later released only to be readmitted on november 23rd. by december 13th a hospital spokesman said the former president was improving and should
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as members of congress return to washington to address the fiscal cliff. talks will take place behind closed doors. no public negotiations set. you have the debt and the fiscal cliff. it's not looking too good right now when it comes to the u.s. economy. >> geithner told congressional leaders that his department is using some accounting measures basically a fancy way of saying they're going to free up cash to hold off temporarily this fiscal cliff. but it's still not looking good. >> i don't know about you at home, but kicking the can down the road has been happening over and over again. somebody has to make some decisions here. >> it's like in this business, they give you a deadline and you have to hit the deadline. there's no coming in and saying take another ten minutes. it don't work that way in real life. there are americans out there saying get off your couches. get back to washington and get the deal done. >> sometimes it's not pretty when you have to rush, but get it done. >>> still on the economy now, new signs of a turn around in the real estate market. for the first time since 200
. >> eric: thousands of jobs and billions of dollars are at stake but this is no fiscal cliff. this is the looming port strike threatening to shut ports from boston, miami and beyond. florida governor rick scott telling the media a strike will be devastating to his state's economy. governor's right but it's an entire nation about to get slammed. brent is the president of miller and long construction. we import -- we pointed out somewhere around 65% of international trade hits the ports. we import cars, we import produce, we import oil and gas. explain how this will affect the prices for people watching right now of everything. >> well, it will be very significant in a lot of ways. we're talking about eleven ports, basically from boston pretty much all the way around to houston. the reason governor scott is concerned is there are four ports in florida that will be affected. this is containerized shipping. electronic goods, food stuff and things like that. it could be massive impact, especially in this -- we had retailers getting trouble getting back on track. it will affect eve
. state department says it is willing to talk more about keeping the children safe. >>> fiscal cliff isn't the only threat to the u.s. economy. get a load of this. the container cliff. nearly 15,000 dockworkers from maryland to texas are threatening to strike, starting sunday, which could shut down more than a dozen key shipping ports and cripple commerce across the country. dock on workers are demanding higher container royalties to boost their pay. >>> did the newtown school shooter have an evil gene? scientists at the university of connecticut will study adam lanza's dna to see if a mutation or ab normality could have made him more violent? this is the first study of its kind on a mass killer. >>> jockeying started for john kerry's senate seat, even before it's vacant. massachusetts congressman ed markey throwing his hat into the ring in kerry becomes secretary of state, which is expected, a special election will be held early this summer. markey is the first prominent candidate to declare for the race. >>> love this story. paying it forward by paying it backward. a story of rampant g
is the fiscal cliff impasse. it's a potentially devastating one-two bunch for the u.s. economy. neither the longshore's union or alliance shipping company would allow anyone to speak on camera. but officials knowledgeable of the negotiations say it boils down to one issue. the key sticking point is the payments that the longshore men get for them. they pay royalties for the containers based on their weight but the shipping companies want to freeze those royalty payments for current longshore men and eliminate them for future hires. the longshore men say the royalties are made to make up for automation. but if the shipping companies lockout the longshore men -- >> that would impact more than containers. that would impact all cargos at ports. that would have a much more impactful reaction. $55 billion worth of cargo in an average month this year. candy? >> brian, i have to imagine retail companies and others who want those goods off the ships and in their stores have to be plenty worried. do they have a plan b to move those goods if there's a strike? >> reporter: yes. some of them do. clo
: maria mow lean a thanks. gregg: the fiscal cliff is not the only threat facing the u.s. economy right now. shipments of all kinds could actually be stuck on cargo ships if a longshoreman strike goes ahead as planned. the stakes for the recovery coming up. patti ann: high noon in those fiscal cliff negotiations. >> nothing have move forward in regards to our budget crisis unless speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell will go forward with our plan. speaker boehner is willing to negotiate, we have not heard a word from mitch mcconnell, and nothing is hang. patti ann: chris vanhollen joins us next. pwhrafp [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. . patti ann: fox news alert, potentially good news for the nation's housing market. pending home sales, which measure homes that are in contract and about to be sold rose 1.7% in novemb
. not just the fiscal cliff with the potential threat to the economy, thousands of dockworkers from maine to texas could go on strike within days if their union can't reach a deal with major shipping companies. these are the workers who move goods from the nation's ports to the stores. >> everybody from your mom and pop retailer to your farmer, to the trucking company who has go in and pick up the containers at the ports. this will be felt not just at the local economy, but nationwide for everybody else who relies on these ports. >> one port official says east and gulf coast ports handle about $55 billion worth of cargo a month so a strike could have a major effect on the retail business. >>> land lines not going the way of the vcr just yet. older americans are slow to get rid of land lines and go mobile. the centers for disease control asked 20,000 households about trends throughout the year. the study found about 52% use cell phones for all of their cal calls, that's less than 2% increase from previous years. the older generation is slower to make the switch. >>> patrick democracy might
.s. stock market. despite all those worries about the fiscal cliff and maybe slower growth in the u.s. economy, the stock market has had a great year. too bad you missed out. the smart money's been in the market. the rest of us have been worried about the fiscal cliff. >> number eight, facebook's ipo. hundreds of millions of people like facebook but investors did not on its first day as a public company. trading glitches at the nasdaq and questions about the company's ability to make money on mobile users pummeled the stock which has yet to climb its way back to its ipo price. >> number seven, mother meyer, the new ceo of yahoo!. 37 years old. looks like a mother's touch is just exactly what yahoo! needed. >> number six, mother nature. an intense drought in the midwest that scorched the soy and corn crop sending prices sky high. who could forget superstorm sandy. neighborhoods swept away, millions without power and damages as high as $50 billion, raising lots of questions about u.s. infrastructure and whether we should be spending some money to fix it. >> number five, china. is chin
the fiscal cliff, the fiasco as well as the debt ceiling debacle. richard, how is this playing out? we understand richard is not here. we're going to talk to richard a little later about this. >>> eurovision, a singing competition, a lot like "american idol." it's popular, trendy, everybody's watching it. it launched the careers of abba and celine dion. now the radio show which is paid for by the countries that participate in it, it's now in trouble. the economy is to blame. here's our reporter. ♪ >> reporter: cheesy music. kitsch costumes. ♪ and national stereotypes. ♪ for 58 years, the eurovision song contest has united europeans in a celebration of music and at times laughter. ♪ but as countries struggle to meet budget targets, frills are starting to take a back seat. portugal, poland, slovakia and boz that herzegovina say they're pulling out of the competition because they can't afford to win. the czech republic and greece are also reported to want out. >> it costs to perform, and it costs to stage it. and what do you get back? bluntly a bunch of hoopla and a few pom-poms.
. you're in "the situation room." the u.s. is now just six days away from the so-called fiscal cliff. and a mad scramble is on here in washington to avoid the drastic tax hikes and spending cuts that many fear will plunge the economy back into recession. president obama flies back from hawaii tonight to be ready if the senate comes back with a plan when it returns to work tomorrow. and house leaders are huddling with members on stand-by to return. senior congressional correspondent dana bash is following all of it for us. what are you hearing? >> there was a conference call of course members of the house leadership even, they're back in their districts, but there was a conference call today among those house republican leaders trying to figure out if and when the house should come back into session. two republican sources tell me they did not make a decision on this call. it's still up in the air. and a big reason for that is if anything can get done in the next six days, the ball is in the senate's court. the capitol is a ghost town. neither chamber in session. an eerie calm since t
concerns about the fiscal cliff. the president and congress return to d.c. retailers are doing a much better job of controlling inventory. muchstores don't have so merchandise left over that they need to clear out. netflix will introduce social features next year. a bill that would move restrictions on companies sharing customers rental histories. netflix customers can share which movies they watch an facebook. i'm a ellen braitman from bloomberg news. >> thank you so much. >> 37 degrees at the airport. keith mills will have sports coming up. >> don't forget to e-mail us your response to our water cooler question of the day. will you be more likely to visit a maryland casino now that some are open 24/7? you can share your response on wbaltv.com, on our facebook page, or send us an e-mail to watercooler@wbaltv.com. >> here is a look at last night's winning maryland lottery numbers. >> now insta-weather plus and traffic pulse 11 together. >> time to take a look at your morning commute. we are dealing with what roads -- wet roads. wind warnings are in effect at the bay bridge. 55 miles p
the economy from going over the fiscal cliff. members of congress are pointing fingers over who is to blame for the lack of progress to prevent tax hikes and spending cuts. connecticut's independent senator joe lieberman expects congress to work right up to the deadline. but he's not even sure that's going to be enough. >> it's the first time i feel it's more likely we will go over the cliff than not, and if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal consequential act of congressional er responsibility in a long time. >> the president and congress are due back later in the week. one possibility is a partial deal on taxes while putting off an agreement on spending, kicking some of the can down the road once again. >> and that seems to be what congress is good at. no problem ever gets solved. there's no grand bargain. seems like we just do a little bit and then say oh, we'll get it by the fall. and nothing substantive really gets done. it's a sad state of affairs. this is the result of when folks cannot take off the partisan war paint and get something done. >> on both sides. when
? the fiscal cliff, still looming. spending cuts and tax hikes that could shove our economy into recession. and a deadline lawmakers ignored until the very last possible minute. live pictures now of the capitol. looks beautiful. man, but there's a lot of wrangling going on there. lawmakers are back up -- had their backs up against the wall right now. and as they try to find a plan that can pass congress. let's hope they do. cnn's chief white house correspondent is jessica yellin. she is following the negotiations, working very hard on this saturday. so jess, democrats and republicans are supposedly working on a plan, even as we speak. what do we know about it? >> reporter: well, we know, don, that it's the senate leaders that are hashing this out. and what they're looking to negotiate is a deal that would extend current low tax rates for middle income americans. we don't know the exact threshold levels. so would it be people who make $400,000 and less, would it be $250,000 and less. but something that would extend low rates and then increase them above. extend probably unemployment benefit
of the fiscal cliff, we may go through this all over again. it's another drag on the markets and on the whole economy at exactly the wrong time. >> when you say drag, though, give us an example of what you mean. we talked about january 2nd, everybody goes back to work and markets open. are we going to see a lot of volatility. all of a sudden it crashes down at once. what happens to wall street. >> we're going to see a lot of volume activity until the issues get resolved. it's not as if the borrowing limit directly affects companies represented in the stock market, but the problem is that washington is the whole story right now and there's so much unpredictability about the economy. u.s. treasury securities are the biggest class of securities in the world. it sort of affects everything else about the markets, the financial markets, interest rates. and if we don't quite know what's going to happen in that bedrock market, which provides a lot of liquidity, it affects everything else. there's also a psychological component, which standard & poor's hinted at. the fact there's so little confidence
force one early this morning and headed for washington to deal with unfinished fiscal cliff business. with just five days until the combination of automatic tax increases and spending cuts that could send the economy back into recession, mr. obama wants congress to take the lead in getting the job done. the senate convenes later today and senate majority leader harry reid told members to be prepared to address fiscal cliff issues through the weekend. reid is working on his own plan to get lawmakers to come together before the end of the year deadline. that plan would likely include letting the bush tax cuts expire for households making more than $250,000 a year and short term spending cuts instead of the massive long-term cuts that would happen if there is no deal. after our wednesday conference call, house republican leaders issued a statement saying they were waiting for the democratic controlled senate. the house will take this action on whatever the senate can pass they said but the senate first must act. in a sign of public frustration over the lack of a de
that happens is hit the sequestration, the things that the fiscal cliff will bring of the that's why. i'll take the medicine, the pain now for a healthier economy going forward. >> kelly: there are a lot of economists who agree because they're saying if we go through this, it will be pain for everybody, 2,000, $4,000 added to our tax for the next year or so. and potentially, after that we will rebound and all those automatic spending cuts will go into effect. >> juliet: we've been following this drama involving hobby lobby. the company plans to defy a federal mandate that came out. it required it to offer the morning after pill. and hobby lobby, the owners of the company say, but they don't want to do that. it defies what they believe. they're going to be defying this order. they're going to risk fines of up to $1.3 million per day because they said on principle, we can not do this. >> kelly: here is the reason why. they're a faith-based organization. even though they're in business. this is a faith-based business and this would go against their belief that they should not be involved in this k
until we all go over the fiscal cliff which would mean everyone's taxes will go up and sharp spending cuts will go effect that could drive our economy back into recession. to abc news white house correspondent jonathan karl filling in today for george stephanopoulos as host of abc's "this week." >> hey, jon, good morning. i know today and tomorrow obviously hugely important. can you sort of walk us through the potential order of operations? what could we see play out today and tomorrow? >> well, it is right down to the wire, dan. what's happening right now is harry reid and mitch mcconnell, the top democrat and republican in the senate are still negotiating their staffs at this hour. they are supposed to be working until about 3:00 this afternoon when the plan would be presented to both caucuses. as we understand what they are talking about is the bare minimum. basically the senate negotiating to extend those tax cuts for everybody making under $250,000 a year and do extend unemployment benefits also they're talking about trying to do something to stop the automatic spending cuts that
and there's still no sign leaders are closer to agreeing on a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. here's brian mooar. >> as senate leaders were behind closed doors, president obama and republicans issued dueling messages on the web. >> we can't afford a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. the economy is growing. >> if the nation goes over the fiscal cliff next tuesday, each side blames the other. >> we can avoid going over the fiscal cliff if the president and democrat controlled senate step forward this week and work with republicans to solve this problem and solve it now. >> all over the country now, uncertainty is in the area. >> it's not a matter of am i going to pay my light bill or not but will it deplete my savings. >> even if the impact isn't real, the perceived impact could cause us to drop off in sales. >> getting a deal is up to the senate's top democrat and top republican. >> we are engaged in discussions, the majority leader myself and the white house, in hopes we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation. >> whatever we come up with will be imperf
for their businesses, should they buy a new computer, hire new people, the fiscal cliff is damaging the economy today. >> juliet: what are they doing? they don't know what to do. you have to act the at a certain point. are they laying people or, are they not moving? >> it's minimalist, do the least amount you can do at this point in time until you know what your tax liability is going to be. until you know what the economic outlook's going be to be. are we going to have another recession. >> juliet: how is that affecting them by doing the least, the least type of movement, i guess you could say? >> many of my members are not giving out bonuses, they're freezing pay, not hiring. that's what's happening on the main street america. and the fiscal cliff impacted already and main street small businesses are feeling that impact. if we go over the cliff, of course, it will be exacerbated and even worse, starting on january 1, the payroll taxes start going up and the rest of us. i think most small businesses people are convinced nobody in washington has a clue how to run a business, how to balance the books,
over the fiscal cliff next tuesday, each side blames the other. >> we can avoid going over the fiscal cliff if the president and democrat controlled senate step forward this week and work with republicans to solve this problem and solve it now. >> all over the country now, uncertainty is in the air. >> it's not a matter of am i going to pay my light bill or not but will it deplete my savings. problem and solve it now. >> all over the country now, uncertainty is in the air. >> it's not a matter of am i going to pay my light bill or not but will it deplete my savings. >> even if the impact isn't real, the perceived impact could cause us to drop off in sales. >> getting a deal is up to the senate's top democrat and top republican. >> we are engaged in discussions, the majority leader and myself and the white house, in the hopes we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation. >> whatever we come up with will be imperfect. some people aren't going to like it. some people will like it less but that's where we are. >> majority leader harry reid and minority leader mitch mcc
cliff we know it will take some dollars out of the economy, whether it is higher taxes or entitlement cuts. it will create a little bit of a shock to the economy but there are bright spots we should look for in 2013. harris: there are three you said. what are they? >> housing, energy and huge amount, trillions of dollars sitting on the sidelines by corporate america, waiting to come into the economy once this picture clears up. harris: we're getting housing numbers coming this week already. we're starting to see prices rose a little bit this fall. that is a good sign. we're seeing housing starts have come up as well. so i understand that. energy. >> energy is a game-changer, it really is. we look what is going on around the world. the europeans, far east, they're paying over $17 a btu for natural gas. we get it for $3 in this country. dow chemical just proposed building the largest chemical plant it has in the world here in this country because of the competitive advantage of natural gas. imagine if we could liquify, ship it to europe, ship it to the far east. not only would we have a
the economy back in gear and getting the economy back in gear. >> you would extend? >> the fiscal cliff would happen like in 2014. >> so bush tax cuts for the top 2%? >> keep those. the whole shabang. what we need is more money to go to the economy to keep things afloat. and this is not the time to figure out how we're going to reduce that. it doesn't -- it's not quite that important right now. >> picking up on that point, you're very closely following that stuff in washington, it looks like, my interpretation of this and tell me if i'm wrong, the payroll tax is basically gone already? >> i totally agree. it's not even being mentioned and the reason is, obama's last offer -- we actually had obama and boehner still negotiating in good faith, passing deals back and forth and this was included. he dropped his demand for having an extension of the payroll tax holiday in which the payroll tax was dropped from 6.2 to 2.4%. he dropped it. the stimulus offer shrank from 425 billion to 175 billion. so it's something he's already given up. you had tim geithner saying earlier in the year that, you know,
. fiscal cliff crisis taking a toll on consumer confidence. putting things in context, here it is. a score of 90 on the conference board's index means the economy is healthy. last time we saw that number was 2007 before the start of the financial crisis. over the last two months we've seen steady declines. november's report showed a score of 71.5 and 65.1 in december. that is lowest number we've seen since august. joining us now for more on this is jonathan hunt, portfolio manager for capitalist pig hedge fund. contributor to for fox news channel, good to see you. >> happy new year. >> consumers have no faith in congress, guys get your act together. if there is a deal tomorrow, how do you think is this is going to affect consumer confidence over the next six months? >> it might slightly help but already there is a tremendous damage done. it's no surprise that consumers are not confident. to be confident you have to have some slight semblance of certainty and we haven't had anything like that. consumers want to think long term and budget but trillions of dollars and hundreds of millions of
to avoiding the fiscal cliff. >> i'm modestly optimistic that an agreement can be achieved. nobody is going to get 100% of what they want, but let's make sure that middle class families and the american economy and, in fact, the world economy aren't adversely impacted because people can't do their jobs. >> reporter: the president called the meeting as lawmakers pointed fingers in this high stakes game of chicken. >> it's republicans who are holding hostage the middle class in america so that the wealthy don't have to pay their fair share. >> we need two words, presidential leadership on not just taxing rich people, we could tax all the rich people and cut their heads off and it wouldn't help the medicare fiscal cliff. >> reporter: with time running out hopes for a grand bargain have diminished with talk now of a smaller deal that extend bush tax rate for the middle class and extends unemployment benefits but puts off major spending cuts and reform to entitlements like medicare. >> we're going to end up with a small kick the can down the road bill that creates another fiscal cliff to deal
. doesn't mean they're going to get anything done as far as the fiscal cliff is concerned and because the deadline is so tight, about the most we could hope for may be is some kind of temporary deal. if they don't come up with a pick, the economy may be in for a big jolt. >> we're going to see economic activity slow down. i think we're going to see, with the certainty of tax rates raising on all of us that people contract their economic activity. >> and look, here is why. when you take a look at the impact of these tax hikes, at low income levels, a few hundred dollars. but for people make more than $500,000 a year, an average tax hike of $120,000 unless there is some kind of a fix. and finally, here is one possible solution, i guess. starbucks is telling all of their employees here in the dc area to write on every single coffee they make, come together. that is not just a tall order, but maybe a venty. i think a venty. >> kelly: that's really a good idea. not a good one, doug. >> clayton: thanks. what was your beverage of choice this morning? is that your coffee cup? >> juliet: all r
the fiscal cliff. our political panel is going to weigh in on the chances for a deal. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. >>> the pressure is on as harry reid and mitch mcconnell race against the clock to find a fix to the fiscal cliff. joining me are cnn contributor and democratic strategist maria cardona and republican strategist ron bonjin. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> ron, i'll start with you. reid and mcconnell, they really are the focus in the senate. in the house, it's speaker john boehner. i've got to ask you, is his job on the line if republicans balk at any deal that's reached? >> no, not at all. speaker boehner is extremely strong. his conferences support him and knows that he's been in a tough position trying to negotiate the fiscal deal with the president. he's be
. >> economists say one of the effects of the fiscal cliff is that businesses are now holding back on spending money whether it be investing in stock, machinery and equipment needed for the company or products they sell. and for a slowly strengthening economy, the shock of less spending could be all it takes to push the country back into a recession. >> businesses are not hiring workers now at the pace we would expect because the small businesses say we can't hire right now until we know what the tax system is going to look like and what our tax bill is going to be in 2013. >> and shannon, economists also say the trend will decrease money in the pockets of consumers so they will have less money to put back into the economy by buying goods and services. back to you. >> shannon: we asked you if going over the fiscal cliff might be a good thing. and boy, did you respond. your answers, next. with the spark cash card from capital one, sven gets great rewards for his small business! how does this thing work? oh, i like it! [ garth ] sven's small business earns 2% cash back on every purche, everday!
the republicans are holding him hostage now on the fiscal cliff. he may be wrong but that's his view. they are going to fight that out. but i saw a very frustrated president who is saying guys, we're now after talking about a big deal that would help the markets, help the american people we have scaled it back to something small and you can't even get that done. he is very angry. visibly frustrated, harris. >> harris: we have been seeing the news being broken on this friday for almost 12 hours on this as the news warrants. ed, we may see you again this hour. thank you. >> i look forward to it. >> harris: senate leaders now say they are entering last-minute talks over the weekend to avert the fiscal cliff. so now it goes to the senate. we will go live to capitol hill at the bottom of the hour as again the focus will shift those senators to get a deal done. all of this having some effect on wall street. the markets finishing in the red for the fifth straight day. the dow sank 158 points, triple digits in trading today. closing below 13,000 for the first time in three weeks. the nasdaq
about 2013? >> it's interesting, i was talking to some people today and they say the fiscal cliff for them started about five years ago. but all is not gloom and doom with this. you look at some of the economic indicators that are out there and what is positive for our economy, number one is the housing market. we have seen a steady progressive positive indicators on the housing market that things are getting better there. another thing is the debt load. it looks like houses are starting to see a significant impact there as well. when you look at the debt ratio to gdp, it's actually decreased to the 2003 level. that means that more families are saving money. also they're paying a lower interest rate on that debt load. so that's another good indicator that we can bring you for the new year. >> heather: so back to the fiscal cliff, we have to talk about that. what do families need to be aware of immediately with the fiscal cliff? we mentioned our paychecks in the intro. >> well, if we go sailing over that fiscal cliff and nothing is done, in the next few weeks you could see a smalle
mobile app. >>> from the cnn money newsroom in new york, i'm ali velshi. this is your money. the fiscal cliff is a battle of ideological wills. some americans feel strongly that increasing taxes hurts the economy. quite possible that it will. but the central question is whether it will hurt all that much to raise income taxes a little bit on the highest earners in the country. well, to push the country to the edge of a recession over this is irresponsible. the increase will hardly affect the economy. but that's my opinion. and my opinion should count as much as anyone else's. the problem is that in washington one person's opinion carries disproportionate weight and that person is grover norquist. he's the head of americans for tax reform. they have got the pledge that mostly republican members of congress signed to say they won't increase taxes. now, understand this. the top marginal tax rate going from 35% to 39.6% is not a tax increase. it is a return to tax rates that would have taken place after the temporary bush tax cuts expired and got extended. so the way i see it, that cuts wit
to vote on whatever fiscal cliff bill the senate passes one day before the deadline and warnings of a recession that the rahled wall street and consumer confidence. >> they know it will have a negative impact on the economy and they know it will have a negative impact on them and their families and they are expecting us to be here to work and we're not. >> reporter: real deadlines are approaching. 2 million americans out of work for more than six months start losing their jobless benefits tomorrow and the nation runs out of borrowing authority to finance our $16 trillion debt on monday. the treasury department says it can use extraordinary measures to avert default until february extraordinary, that's a word that might apply to this entire fiscal cliff situation. >> major garrett, thank you very much. >>> republican senator bob corker of tennessee has offered proposals in recent weeks to break the stalemate in congress. senator, good morning, good to see you. >> good morning, jeff good to be with you. >> are we going over the cliff? >> well it depends on wha
on the fiscal cliff. that's spoiling the rally so far. it could be worse. we have seen much bigger negative reaction to all these congressional shenanigans in the past. could be a sign the economy is in better shape this time around. you just look at the s&p 500, victor, still on track for a 13% gain for the year. that's as we look at all the red on the screen. victor? >> a lot of red there is. red and green. wish we had more green. alison kosik, thank you. >>> if you weren't able to watch your favorite christmas classic on netflix, we know why. the video streaming service is blaming a massive outage at one of amazon's web service centers. they say it happened on christmas eve. now, netflix has millions of subscribers in the u.s., canada, latin america, most folks have service up and running again by christmas day, though. if they missed it going into christmas, they can watch it in the evening. one netflix official says they're looking at how to prevent something like this from happening again. >>> russia is trying to put the brakes on americans adopting russian children. and today that ba
to avoid the fiscal cliff? if so, what are they? >> well, obviously, there are cuts in the budget. we know we have to cut some of the mandatory programs and do other cuts, but it has to be accompanied with revenues. willie, i'm getting a little more optimistic today. sometimes it's darkest before the dawn. there are two good signs for optimism today. one is that leader mcconnell is actively engaged. you can't pass anything in the senate without democratic and republican votes because of the 60-vote barrier. we only have 53. for the first time, leader mcconnell is speaking to the president. if the senate is going to be the place where action starts, you need both of them there. the second reason for optimism is boehner is back at the table. because you can't pass something just through the senate. we see what a mess the house is. they couldn't even pass speaker boehner's own plan b. the fact that he's come back and the four of them are at the table means to me we could come up with some kind of agreement that would avoid the main parts of the fiscal cliff, particularly taxes going up on mid
starting to see very positive trends. >> clayton: let's talk about the fiscal cliff. 'cause a number of factors in play here, number one, capital gains taxes moving forward and we saw a lot of investments and a lot of investors buying up. are you from phoenix in that neck of the woods? >> no, i'm in washington. both d.c. and seattle. >> clayton: and some of those investments, even in the d.c. area, we saw some investments in the outlying areas, but phoenix of course, vegas. investors coming in and buying up a lot of those properties down there, but how will the fiscal cliff affect investment going forward and maybe helping this recovery? because we're going to see a big increase in the capital gains taxes? >> that's right, it's going to have a bigger impact than i think analysts are predicting, maybe because they're numbers crunchers and not in the market. and fueling the momentum in the real estate markets, snapping up the foreclosure properties the last few years and the concern is they're going to be a little bit more conservative in their purchasing moving forward. and here is a
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